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Carlos: Why
is it that when we meditate here in this place we can go deeper than in other
places?
SWAMIJI: It is because of the influence of
the atmosphere. That is the reason behind it. If you are in a different
atmosphere, the thought gets diluted. Circumstances and the atmosphere around
you have a great influence. If you are alone, you think in one way; if you are
in the midst of many people as in a railway compartment, you will think in a
different way. If you are inside a church or a temple, you will think in one
way; if you are in a marketplace, you will think in a different way altogether.
If you are in the presence of a holy man or a great soul, you will think in one
way; if you are in the presence of a thief, you will think in a different way.
This is to give an example of how circumstances and the atmosphere around have
an influence upon oneself. That is why it is said that the most important
requisite for a spiritual seeker is company of good people, called satsanga.
Nothing is equal to satsanga. The company of noble persons is the best
remedy for every kind of problem in spiritual life.
The books that you read and the company
that you keep will tell something about you. You find out what books the person
is reading and what company that person is keeping; from that you can know
something about that person himself. It is an old saying or proverb: "Tell me
the books you read and the company you keep; I shall tell you what you are".
Devote some time to reading elevating
literature, generating noble thoughts, and don't keep company with people who
will distract your mind. In modern days people have company of television,
cinema and clubs. This is the company that people keep, and you can know how
dissipated the mind can be after having such company.
Carlos: How
can we live a more spiritual life in the West? Sometimes it looks like the
world doesn't want God.
SWAMIJI: The object does not want the
subject merely because it is the object. What you call the world is the object
of consciousness. As long as it is considered as an object, it will want
nothing except itself, and nobody will want it, also. But it is a wrong notion
which dubs a thing as an object. When the object becomes the subject, then it
will cease to be troubling you. If the world has become the subject itself,
there is no need of renouncing it. You are renouncing only the wrong notion
about it.
Carlos: But
Swamiji, how can you live in the world without being distracted by cinemas and
clubs, and so on? The distractive forces are like an antithesis. They are
there. They have an attraction.
SWAMIJI: You need not go to cinemas or
clubs, and don't go to bars. Who asked you to go? Let them be there, but you
need not go there. Why are you interested in them?
Carlos: I am
not interested in them, but they have a pressure. The social atmosphere has an
influence on the spiritual seeker.
SWAMIJI: It cannot influence you, unless
your mind is weak. A weak mind can be influenced by any devil, and everywhere
there are devils in the world ready to jump on you.
Carlos: But
Swamiji, we say that there is just God.
SWAMIJI: But the devil is also there. You
can say anything, but your mind does not believe it. The mind says that there
is a club, but by theory you say that God only is there. So what is the use of
such theoretical talking, when your feelings say that there is a club? Tell me
what your heart says. Does the heart say that the club does not exist? If it
does not exist, I have no objection; but you are saying one thing and feeling
another. That is a contradiction.
Carlos: Then
how should I act, practically?
SWAMIJI: You become that trouble itself;
then it will cease to act, and won't affect you afterwards. It becomes your
very self, which cannot trouble you. The question will not arise. You become the
question itself, yourself.
Carlos:
People will think I am crazy if I talk like that.
SWAMIJI: You become those people also
yourself. Then who will think about you? If you become those people, there are
no people to think of you. Again, you are thinking that somebody is there
outside.
Carlos: It
is a gradual process, Swamiji.
SWAMIJI: If you don't want to do a thing,
you start talking like that; otherwise, you can do it in one minute. It doesn't
take a gradual course and all that. When the time comes for us to depart from
this world, it has to be done instantaneously. You cannot say "tomorrow we will
do it."
Visitor:
Swamiji, when we are not accepted by other people, what should we do?
SWAMIJI: Why are you worried about it? In
what way are you affected by the other person not accepting? He may not
understand you and, therefore, he is not accepting. How do you expect everybody
to understand you? The world is so big. Many will not understand, and if they
don't understand, leave it there. Why are you worrying? What is the problem?
You are unnecessarily creating problems for yourself. It is mainly a
psychological problem.
Visitor: If
really someone doesn't accept me when I would like to do something for them,
what should I do?
SWAMIJI: Then you don't do anything. Keep
quiet.
Visitor:
There are two ways for our life. One is to attach to the world around us and
perform our works perfectly, and the second is to attach to the Almighty only.
Which is the better one?
SWAMIJI: You tell me whether God is better,
or the world is better. If you think the world is better, you need not think of
God. Forget Him. But if a doubt is there, then think a second time. There are
people who think that there is no God at all, that they need not bother about
Him, that the world is perfectly all right, and that they can get on without
Him. If there are people who think in that manner, let them please themselves.
But if there is a doubt that it is not so and there is something else, then it
is worth knowing what that something is.
God created the world. How can He have a
clash with His own creation? You are imagining that there is a clash, but there
is no such thing. God is embodied in this world, so how will He clash with
Himself? That is not possible. The clash is only in our mind; it is not in God,
nor in the world. We have not understood what God is or what the world is. So,
both ways we are having imperfect ideas about things. The world is an
appearance of God; so, how can there be a conflict?
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